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xx Re: Terry Shiavo - Let's Hear Your Thoughts
« Reply #45 on: Mar 25th, 2005, 8:25pm »

Just a thought: huh

Would you want to be held to a comment you made when you were young and not thinking in terms of your own mortality? undecided

Working in a hospital, I am sure I have heard the comment several times from young people visiting grandparents who are unresponsive from strokes,that they would never want to be kept alive like that. But alot of times it is just because they are afraid their loved one is suffering and they don't understand all the tubes and machines. I really don't think they are thinking of themselves as young people in that situation, but as the elderly relative in the bed.

Terry's poor mother is physically ill now and I pray she will be OK too. sad

Also praying for the girl abducted in Iowa by the child molester. They have found a body and cancelled the amber alert. cry cry
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xx Schiavo's Parents Say She Tried to Speak
« Reply #46 on: Mar 26th, 2005, 08:01am »

By MIKE SCHNEIDER Associated Press Writer

PINELLAS PARK, Fla. Mar 26, 2005 ó After a federal appeals court panel rebuffed them yet again, Terri Schiavo's parents made another desperate attempt to keep their brain-damaged daughter alive, telling a judge that she tried to say "I want to live" just minutes before her feeding tube was removed a week ago.

Pinellas Circuit Judge George Greer was expected to announce a decision by noon Saturday on the motion by Bob and Mary Schindler claiming their daughter said "AHHHHH" and "WAAAAAAA" when asked to repeat the phrase "I want to live."

The appeal is seen as a long shot because Greer was the judge who ordered Schiavo's feeding tube removed March 18. Doctors have said Schiavo's previous utterances were involuntary moans consistent with someone in a vegetative state.

Attorneys for Michael Schiavo, Terri's husband, argued the Schindlers had abandoned all pretense of the law and were simply making "a pure emotional appeal." Michael Schiavo says his wife would not want to be kept alive artificially.

State and federal courts have repeatedly ruled against the Schindlers, who grew increasingly anguished as their daughter entered her second week without the tube that sustained her for 15 years.

Doctors have said the 41-year-old woman would probably die within a week or two of the tube being removed. By Friday, dehydration was taking its toll. Terri Schiavo's tongue and eyes were bleeding and her skin was flaking off, said Barbara Weller, the Schindlers' attorney.

"Terri is weakening. She's down to her last hours. Something has to be done and has to be done quick," said Bob Schindler, who visited his daughter Friday morning. After a later visit, he added: "I told her that we're still fighting for her, and she shouldn't give up because we're not. But I think the people who are anxious to see her die are getting their wish."

Schindler attorney David Gibbs III urged Greer to act quickly on the motion filed Friday because he expected "Terri to step into eternity this Easter weekend." George Felos, the attorney for Michael Schiavo, said the belief Terri Schiavo can speak was "crossing the line" into an abuse of the legal system
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xx Re: Terry Shiavo - Let's Hear Your Thoughts
« Reply #47 on: Mar 26th, 2005, 5:33pm »

For a better understanding of the Terri Schiavo case I encourage you to read this in its entirety:
http://abstractappeal.com/schiavo/WolfsonReport.pdf.

It is a non biased court document I found on a law enthusiastís blog.

The only thing I hope it conveys is that allot more thought went into the Terri Schiavo case than we (the public) are in most instances are aware of. smiley

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« Reply #48 on: Mar 26th, 2005, 11:07pm »

PINELLAS PARK, United States (AFP) - An advocate for Terri Schiavo's parents has acknowledged they had exhausted all judicial means to save their brain-damaged daughter's life, but appealed once more to Florida Governor Jeb Bush to intervene and take her into protective custody.

An advocate for Terri Schiavo's parents has acknowledged they had exhausted all judicial means to save their brain-damaged daughter's life, but appealed once more to Florida Governor Jeb Bush to intervene and take her into protective custody.
"You do have the authority to stop the killing of Terri Schiavo, within your executive office. We beg you to have courage and take action," priest Paul O'Donnell, an advocate for the parents Bob and Mary Schindler, told Bush -- brother to US President George W. Bush.

Just a short while before, Florida's Supreme Court said it had refused to order the 41-year-old woman's feeding tube reinserted, while a family spokesman, Randall Terry, told AFP: "It appears there's no more judicial pursuit happening."

Earlier in the day, the grief-stricken parents of Terri, Bob and Mary Schindler appealed to the state's top court after a US state judge rejected their latest attempt to keep the woman alive -- against the wishes of her husband and the courts themselves
And in an emotional news conference ahead of the Roman Catholic vigil that precedes Resurrection Sunday, one of the holiest days in the Christian calendar, O'Donnell told the Schindlers' supporters to now "go home", and celebrate Easter with their families.

Addressing Governor Bush, he also said: "Terri's declaration last week when she tried with all her might to say 'I want to live' trumps everything that has preceded in court."

The declaration, he said, calls for Bush to take Terri "into protective custody."

O'Donnell's comments also marked the end of communications to the media by the Schindlers who are "very grief-stricken," while "Terri is really showing signs of starvation and dehydration."

The Schindlers "request that everyone go home, be with your children, hold them close and cherish every moment you have with them."

"Tomorrow as we celebrate Easter they pray that you gather in the churches of your own denominations and offer prayer for their daughter Terri."

Pinellas County Circuit Court Judge George Greer early Saturday said Schiavo's parents had failed to offer a valid reason to change his decision in the new evidence
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Greer said the Schindlers' motion in which they claimed their daughter tried to articulate a desire to live could not be believed in light of the medical evidence already considered.

According to court documents, Schiavo had attempted to say "I want to live" when asked by one of her parents' attorneys to do so March 18.

Late Saturday, in dramatic scenes outside the hospice, O'Donnell had also called for Michael Schiavo to allow Terri who "is in day nine of being dehydrated and starved to death", to take communion -- a request that was ultimately rejected.

Schiavo's brother Bobby Schindler also dismissed comments to reporters by Michael Schiavo's attorney that he had never seen Terri looking more beautiful or peaceful as "the most absurd thing I've ever heard."

Two other court petitions that feeding and hydrating of the severely brain-damaged woman resume were also rejected on Friday, prompting an outcry from her parents and fresh pleas for Florida Governor Jeb Bush to intervene.

"She is fighting like hell to stay alive," Schiavo's father, Bob Schindler, said. "She's still remarkably well under the circumstances."

Michael Schiavo's lawyer, George Felos said, denying reports that she was in discomfort: "In all the years I've seen Mrs. Schiavo I've never seen such a look of peace and beauty on her."

Terri Schiavo's feeding tube was removed by court order March 18 at the request of her husband, Michael Schiavo, who said she had said she would not want to be kept alive artificially and should be allowed to die with dignity. The two sides have fought over her fate for at least seven years.

Florida Governor Jeb Bush intervened after six days in a similar standoff that unfolded in 2003.

But Bush has said this week his powers are limited
Schiavo's brain was heavily damaged following momentary heart failure in 1990, leaving her in a persistent vegetative state, according to doctors who have testified in court, for 15 years.


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xx Schiavo Receives Last Rites, Communion
« Reply #49 on: Mar 28th, 2005, 05:15am »

PINELLAS PARK, Fla. Mar 28, 2005 ó Terri Schiavo was given last rites and Easter communion a drop of wine, but no bread as relatives of the brain-damaged woman asked protesters gathered outside her hospice to tone down their behavior.

Neither Schiavo's parents nor her husband offered new, specific details on her condition, but one of the two priests who visited her hospital room said the brain-damaged woman's "death is imminent" a devastating proclamation for those who spent Easter Sunday praying for a woman they never knew.

"We are Terri's voice. Right now, Terri is fighting for her life," the Rev. Patrick Mahoney angrily shouted Sunday, his face reddening. He pledged to protest outside the White House on Monday.

Schiavo's mother, Mary Schindler, did not visit her daughter on Easter, emotions keeping her from the hospice for the first time since Terri's feeding tube was pulled 10 days ago, said Paul O'Donnell, a Roman Catholic Franciscan monk and a family spokesman.

"If she goes in there again, we might have to take her to the hospital," O'Donnell said.

But the woman's parents claimed one Easter victory: Terri received communion wine after her husband allowed her to receive the sacrament.

As her brother, sister and brother-in-law looked on, the Rev. Thaddeus Malanowski held Terri's right hand as he and hospice priest Rev. Joseph Braun placed the droplet on her tongue. Malanowski also anointed her with holy oil, offered a blessing and absolved her of sin.

"She received the blood of Christ," said Malanowski, adding he could not give her a fleck of communion bread because her tongue was too dry.

By previous court order, Terri Schiavo was allowed to receive communion once more with the consent of her husband and guardian, Michael Schiavo, who has fought her parents for years about whether the woman would want to live or die. Terri received both sacraments on March 18, just before the tube was pulled.

Tensions were noticeably heightened both among the protesters and, apparently, among the closest confidants to the woman's parents, Bob and Mary Schindler. David Gibbs III, their lead lawyer, told CBS' "Face the Nation" that Schiavo has "passed where physically she would be able to recover."

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« Reply #50 on: Mar 28th, 2005, 07:16am »

I found a couple links for living wills this morning. As we all know by now, this is a very important topic! Please take the time to make your wishes known.

Article about living wills:
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Free living wills (forms-all states)
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Living wills (all states-NOT free):
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xx Re: Terry Shiavo - Let's Hear Your Thoughts
« Reply #51 on: Mar 28th, 2005, 10:21pm »

Hmmm, morphine drip (for a women who canít feel pain) Autopsy to revile the extent of brain damage. Sounds like someone is feeling a bit guilty.

Mr. Shiavo can listen to all the slick talking lawyers, Judges, medical geniuses, and family members that would support him no matter what. But in the end it matters what the man in the mirror thinks.

Hope he knows what he's doing. huh



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« Reply #52 on: Mar 28th, 2005, 11:02pm »

Another thing that doesnít quite make sense to me is why her family would object to her having a morphine drip. Iíd rather see her die of that than dehydration. At least you know she isnít in pain.

Jeb Bush does have the power to end this but like all politicians heís a man of the polls.

This whole thing makes me sick! Iíve been reading about it and her condition for the last Week. The more I read the less certain I am about anything. I still think he should have left her with her parents. What would it hurt? The whole thing seems like a grudge match gone way out of control. sad
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xx Schiavo clings to life; father pleads for interven
« Reply #53 on: Mar 29th, 2005, 06:51am »

Schiavo clings to life; father pleads for intervention
Police guard her room as demonstrators keep up vigil; autopsy planned after death


Described by her father as weak and emaciated, Terri Schiavo clung to life yesterday, as police guarded her hospice room and demonstrators prayed outside for last-minute government intervention in the case.

Supporters of prolonging Schiavo's life also carried their protests to the White House, as her father repeated his plea that she be kept alive by having a feeding tube reinserted. Schiavo has severe brain damaged.

"She's still communicating, she's still responding. She's emaciated, but she's responsive," Bob Schindler told reporters after a morning visit with his daughter, saying that she showed facial expressions when he hugged and kissed her.

George Felos, the attorney for husband and guardian Michael Schiavo, told reporters later that he had visited Schiavo for more than an hour yesterday and said she looked "very peaceful. She looked calm."

"I saw no evidence of any bodily discomfort whatsoever," Felos said, although he added that her breathing seemed "a little on the rapid side" and her eyes were sunken.

Schindler said he feared the consequences of morphine that has been used to relieve his daughter's pain. "I have a great concern that they will expedite the process to kill her with an overdose of morphine because that's the procedure that happens," he said.

Felos disputed that, saying that hospice records show Schiavo was given two low doses of morphine - one March 19 and another on March 26 - and that she was not on a morphine drip. The records show that the second dose was given after nurses noticed "light moaning and grimacing and tensing of arms," he said.

Hospice spokesman Mike Bell said that federal rules kept him from discussing Schiavo specifically, but "a fundamental part of hospice is that we would do nothing to either hasten or postpone natural death."

Comfort measures, including morphine drips, are used in consultation with a patient's guardian, doctor and hospice care team, Bell said.

Schiavo, 41, was in her 11th day without a feeding tube. Doctors said that she would probably die within a week or two when the tube was removed March 18. She suffered catastrophic brain damage in 1990 when her heart stopped for several minutes because of a chemical imbalance.

Felos said that the hospice room was decorated with flowers, had music playing and that Schiavo had a stuffed tabby cat under one arm. He also said that the chief medical examiner for Pinellas County, Dr. John Thogmartin, had agreed to perform an autopsy. He said that her husband wants definitive proof showing the extent of her brain damage. Michael Schiavo says his wife told him years ago that she would not want to be kept alive artificially under such circumstances.

An attorney for Schiavo's parents, David Gibbs III, said that her family also wants an autopsy. "We would certainly support and encourage an autopsy to be done with all the unanswered questions," Gibbs said.

The parents pressed again for President Bush, Congress and the president's brother, Gov. Jeb Bush, to intervene to have the feeding tube reinserted. A small group of supporters protested outside the White House gates.

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« Reply #54 on: Mar 29th, 2005, 09:14am »

As for Judge Greer and the other Judges who blatantly disregarded TerriĎs law; I hope they all get kicked out of their churches. I hope all their wives divorce them. I hope they get voted out of office. I hope restaurants refuse to serve them, and they feel disapproval for many years to come.

There is no magic division that takes place when we walk on the job. We are all one man, with one mind, one body, with one soul, serving one God. Iím sick of unconscionable people hiding behind, ď Iím just doing my jobĒ Isnít that the same argument the Naziís made? There are many sociopaths among us who get in positions of power and rain down their less than human values on us. We cannot allow them to go unchecked.

Everybody talks about Terri Shiavo being brain dead. Well Iíve got some news for them. There is no mind more dead than that of a man with no conscience. angry

There is no reason why her case shouldnít have been appealed in a Federal court like the law that was passed for her directed. Itís a law for Christ sake! Imagine if we all picked and chose which laws we wanted to obey.

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I bet you when she passes there will be a riot break out. There are some ANGRY people out there.
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I strongly urge everyone to sign this petition:
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« Reply #57 on: Mar 30th, 2005, 01:12am »

i signed the petition and I agree with you onlymerk. No man is big enough to play God with a human life.

It sickens me that they are already talking about her autopsy like she is not even a human being.

I wonder if they will find out anything from the autopsy-the brain has wonderful ability to make use of other parts when some no longer work.

I looked at the time line on Terri's site and it looks like she has been in a hospice since April of 2000. How sad. Hospices are for the dying and termnally ill. It looks like someone gave up on her long ago.
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PINELLAS PARK, Fla. ó In a rare legal victory for Terri Schiavo's parents, a federal appeals court agreed to consider an emergency motion requesting a new hearing on whether to reconnect their severely brain-damaged daughter's feeding tube.

The 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Atlanta issued a written order without comment late Tuesday allowing Bob and Mary Schindler to file the appeal, even though the court had set a March 26 deadline for doing so.

In the one-sentence order, the court said: "The Appellant's emergency motion for leave to file out of time is granted."

The court didn't say when it would decide whether to grant the hearing. Last week, it twice ruled against the Schindlers, who are trying to keep their daughter alive.

In requesting a new hearing, the Schindlers argued that a federal judge in Tampa should have considered the entire state court record and not just the procedural history when he ruled against the parents.

Time was running out for Schiavo, however. Bob Schindler described his daughter as "failing" on Tuesday, her 12th day without nourishment.

"She still looks pretty darn good under the circumstances," Schindler said. "You can see the impact of no food and water for 12 days. Her bodily functions are still working. We still have her."

Doctors have said Schiavo, 41, would probably die within a week or two of the tube being removed. Her husband, Michael Schiavo, insists he is carrying out her wishes by having the feeding tube pulled.

The request for a new hearing also asks to have the tube reinserted immediately "in light of the magnitude of what is at stake and the urgency of the action required."

Tuesday's order was a ray of hope for the Schindlers, who have lost a string of court battles over their daughter's fate. The case has wound its way through six courts for seven years; the U.S. Supreme Court declined to intervene five times.

Protesters keeping a 24-hour vigil outside the hospice praised the latest decision.

"There's a chance for a miracle," said Christine Marriott, 43, who rushed to the hospice after hearing the news on TV. "Anything positive is a breath of life."

Early Wednesday, a man was arrested when he tried to bring a plastic cup of water into the hospice. Police officers stopped him at the gate as he shouted: "You don't know God from Godzilla!"

He became the 48th protester arrested since the feeding tube was removed.

Terri Schiavo's feeding tube was removed March 18 on a court order sought by her husband, who contends she wouldn't want to be kept alive artificially. She suffered catastrophic brain damage in 1990 when her heart stopped for several minutes because of a chemical imbalance apparently brought on by an eating disorder.

But the Schindlers have maintained that their daughter would want to be kept alive. On Tuesday, they asked the appeals court to consider their request for a new hearing based on the seven-year history of evidence in the case, rather than whether previous Florida court rulings have met legal standards under state law.

The Schindlers' attorneys raised the issue after a Saturday deadline set by the court, saying they have had more time to research the issues and have become convinced that the federal court in Tampa had "committed plain error when it reviewed only the state court case and outcome history."

Attorneys for the Schindlers have argued that Terri Schiavo's rights to life and privacy were being violated.

Attorneys for the Schindlers and Michael Schiavo didn't immediately return phone messages early Wednesday.

"I think the courts want to be sure that there's no accusation that any legal argument was ignored," said attorney Neal Sonnett, former chairman of the American Bar Association's criminal justice section.

Federal courts were given jurisdiction to review Schiavo's case after Republicans in Congress pushed through unprecedented emergency legislation aimed at prolonging Schiavo's life. But federal courts at three levels have rebuffed the family.

On Tuesday, Mary Schindler made a terse but emotional appeal to Michael Schiavo: "Michael and Jodi, you have your own children. Please, please give my child back to me." Michael Schiavo and fiancee Jodi Centonze have two children, born long after Terri Schiavo's collapse.

Although supporters of the Schindlers have claimed the dehydrated woman is being denied comforts such as ice chips for her dry mouth or balm for chapped lips, George Felos, the husband's attorney, defended how Schiavo is being cared for.

"Obviously, the parents and the siblings are desperate. Desperation may lead to different perceptions," Felos told CNN. "I can only tell you what I've seen, and Terri is dying a very peaceful, cared-for death."

The Rev. Jesse Jackson prayed with the Schindlers on Tuesday and joined conservatives in calling for state lawmakers to order her feeding tube reinserted.

The former Democratic presidential candidate was invited by Schiavo's parents to meet with activists outside Schiavo's hospice. His arrival was greeted by some applause and cries of "This is about civil rights!"

"I feel so passionate about this injustice being done, how unnecessary it is to deny her a feeding tube, water, not even ice to be used for her parched lips," he said. "This is a moral issue and it transcends politics and family disputes."

First lady Laura Bush also commented on the case Tuesday, saying the government was right to have intervened on behalf of Schiavo.

"It is a life issue that really does require government to be involved," Bush said aboard a plane bound for Afghanistan, where she was to promote education and women's rights.

On Tuesday, the Schindlers had lost a round in the courts when an appeals court upheld a previous ruling by Pinellas Circuit Judge George Greer that blocked the Department of Children and Families from intervening in the case.

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« Reply #59 on: Mar 30th, 2005, 08:48am »

As I signed the petition I made a remark that in the American law that humane treatment forbids cruel and degrading treatment and shall be consistent with the applicable law.

As I understand a human can not live past three days without water and three weeks without food. Terry is already a miracle, a fighter for her life, and I truley believe God has sent a Angel to protect her and perhaps even the water of life from our Lord. I have read in the Bible about the mircles of Jesus Christ as he performed on the blind, leporseies, Jesus can perform all mircles and if he choses to take Terry, he will have one of the best Angels with him to join with the other great ones.

The judge can not beat that one,. the only thing he will get, is to be removed from the courts, the people of our country will have the deepest scar that could even be as deep to resent what has been done to one of fellow human beings. For we the people of this country will stand up for what we believe in and that is justice for all.

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